Forums - Who is better ? Iron man or war machine ? Show all 33 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Strategy & Tactics (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=10) -- Who is better ? Iron man or war machine ? (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=31657) Posted by master ken on 07:21:2001 06:04 AM: Who is better ? Iron man or war machine ? What are the main differences between the two in term of strategies, combos, rush downs, speed etc ? Posted by Damage2001 on 07:21:2001 06:12 AM: i dunno bout anyone else's opinion but.. i'd say WM has a slower reaction time on the c.lk,c.lp, it seems harder to do with him.... on the up side he chips iceman on the down side against small characters it barely even chips cuz it barely hits um Posted by dhalsim on 07:21:2001 06:40 AM: WM has 2 supers i mean war destoryer it useful against the sent people. also he may be a tiny bit slow i don really know but he has faster blokc then im i know that for sure. also u can do 2 photon cannons photon cannon dash in lk hp solar cannon photon cannon =) if u have trouble connecting the 2 together after the lk add an assist Posted by Akumanizer on 07:21:2001 08:03 AM: I think that War Machine has a faster smart bomb and a faster knee strike , but less comboability. And his damn Missile Cannon (Theres nothing Photon or Proton about it), bounces ppl if their are hit off the ground, and it cant be comboed like IMs. It all depends on the persons skill I guess. I prefer WM sometimes, I wont win, but what the hell. Posted by NIN_CrimzinTerry on 07:21:2001 08:06 AM: ironman is better. Posted by master ken on 07:21:2001 08:19 AM: quote: Originally posted by NIN_CrimzinTerry ironman is better. Why ? could you explain ? Posted by reDeFyne on 07:21:2001 09:40 AM: I think ironman is better too. But dont ask me why... I cant pull off the iron man infinity yet. Posted by Akumanizer on 07:21:2001 09:55 AM: quote: Originally posted by reDeFyne I think ironman is better too. But dont ask me why... I cant pull off the iron man infinity yet. You think he is better mainly because of his comboability. Its true, that is the one thing that saves him from being worse the WM. If they had the same comboability, WM would be better because he has 2 supers, but his cannon still sucks, plus the things I said before. Good luck with getting the infinite off, it will help alot in games. Posted by TS on 07:21:2001 12:58 PM: Re: Who is better ? Iron man or war machine ? I personally prefer WM, but the general consensus seems to be that IM is better. I don't really disagree, but if I were to argue the point, I would have to point out that IM is easier to use, and not necessarily better. According to Viscant though, WM is better vs Cable and BH, so that's something. He's also probably better vs Iceman and Spiral, though the Spiral thing could just be me. Posted by Ray on 07:21:2001 01:08 PM: I don't know much about the game but from what I've heard Iron Man is better.Every1 talks about Iron Man being good and I don't know any1 that uses War Machine in their team. Posted by dbtrunks01 on 07:21:2001 01:31 PM: i think ironman is better because of his infinite Posted by Sepehr on 07:21:2001 03:08 PM: Ironman and WM have alot in comment. ironman can do the infinity just as good as WM, combos are the same, basic moves are the same. Viscant thinks WM is better since he has a better control on the ground than ironman. He has two super's while Ironman has only one, his second super can be linked into his infinity in the corner is much easier than ironman's since he has to slow down his infinity in the last time so he can link his proton cannon at the end while war machine can just link it into his war destroyer. His smartbombs have more speed than ironman's but that does not matter very much. He can setup the infinity move just like ironman's from C.lk, C.lp, superjumping lp, dash forward lp, uHP, land and do the rest of the infinity. There is only one different that puts ironman over WarMachine and that is the speed of his C.lk, and jumping lk. it starts faster and there for you have a better chance of landing the infinity setup with Ironman most likely if you can land it which is very hard since ironman and WM are slow characters. over all in my opinion Ironman is a better character. Posted by master ken on 07:21:2001 03:19 PM: quote: Originally posted by dbtrunks01 i think ironman is better because of his infinite I think that you can do the same infinite with WM. Posted by master ken on 07:21:2001 03:33 PM: All right, after reading your posts, I see what are the differences in term of combos and speed. But how about rush downs, can WM rush down like IM? and how about the strats that you use to beat your opponent, are they the same for both of them ? Do you know Why Viscant said that WM is better than IM on the ground ? Posted by The Green Lantern on 07:21:2001 03:40 PM: Iron Man's faster. but WM has more priority. War machine. Posted by Gilliam on 07:21:2001 04:13 PM: quote: Originally posted by dbtrunks01 i think ironman is better because of his infinite hahahahaha, dude have you ever noticed that wm and im have the same normal attacks??? Posted by Nate X Grey on 07:21:2001 05:42 PM: Hey! I didn't know the c.mp XX sj setup worked for WM too! Thanx for the information Sepehr! I guess I'll try it tomorrow if I'm free. Anyway, IM seems much faster than WM. His unibeam is also much more useful than WM's missles IMHO. IM's on my best team currently, and I kinda like using the unibeam alot. The slower smart bombs also means oppotunity to follow up. I guess some people may say they like WM's shoulder cannon, but I don't use that anyway. The biggest difference though... is the super. Proton Cannon is godly. Launch with my Storm, reset strike XX super DHC PC = DEATH. I just can't do the same with those lame ass bouncing missles! The quick startup of the PC also helps. The PC's startup is already too slow for my liking... I don't think I can handle WM's even slower Missle Cannon. By the way, they have the same infinite... but its at DIFFERENT speeds. WM's is done faster than IM's. Which probably means either one or more of his hits has different stun properties or something. I never bothered to look into it anyway. Posted by GeekBoy on 07:21:2001 06:26 PM: Iron Man, why? c.LK, c.LP XX Proton Cannon Posted by JsTyLe on 07:21:2001 08:19 PM: Ironman is way way better, mainly cause of his super. WM's aircombo seems todo more damage and his airdash is a bit faster also when you do the infinite with WM its soo flashy but he lacks damaging combos into supers only one i can think of is c.lk c.lp jab replusor blast into photoncannon or war destroyer which does okay damage but not near IM's c.lk c.lp photon cannon.. i dunno IM just seems better to play with Posted by NerenatwaH on 07:21:2001 08:36 PM: Iron Man is much better. Ironman is faster. His air dash is faster, his attacks are faster, and therefore has more and easier set ups for the infinite. Also, IM can combo into his Proton Cannon from a combo by himself. The infinite yeah, and he has other setups. Posted by master ken on 07:21:2001 08:45 PM: quote: Originally posted by The Green Lantern Iron Man's faster. but WM has more priority. War machine. What do you mean by more priority ? Posted by master ken on 07:21:2001 08:49 PM: quote: Originally posted by master ken All right, after reading your posts, I see what are the differences in term of combos and speed. But how about rush downs, can WM rush down like IM? and how about the strats that you use to beat your opponent, are they the same for both of them ? Do you know Why Viscant said that WM is better than IM on the ground ? Can you answer these questions ? Posted by TS on 07:21:2001 10:15 PM: master ken- that is quite possibly the greatest avatar, ever. Just wanted to go over some things people have said... Iron Man has zero infinite setups that WM doesn't have, as far as I know. WM can even go into his infinite from his launcher...just has to be done a tiny bit differently. If you're trying to play WM like you would IM, then there's no question that IM is better. I personally use WM as more of a keep away character via his crouching Fierce beam, his low Shoulder cannon, faster Smart Bombs, and Storm's gamma assist (though I think the way you're "supposed" to play WM is basically trap with doom+flight+Smart Bombs, and infinite if they try to rush you down or you land a hit or something). In any event, the point is that WM and IM are different characters, and should be played differently. Will finish this post in one second. Posted by master ken on 07:21:2001 10:23 PM: quote: Originally posted by TS master ken- that is quite possibly the greatest avatar, ever. Thanks to Spidey from www.tagmonkey.f2s.com, he is a professionnel in making avatars, but it was my idea to show the shotos doing supers. Posted by Cycloid Beta on 07:21:2001 11:34 PM: Iron Man- +Proton Cannon comes out faster,does more hits, and can be executed in a combo -he only has one hyper combo War Machine- +His War Destroyer kicks a$$ -The Proton canon comes out way too slow Iron man is a great character and is one my best but I just can't but think that he would've been better if he just had second super. I Don't know, couldn't capcom have given him a Mega Repulsar blast or something?? Anything such to make him a little less predictable. War Machine, another great character. He's just like Iron Man except he does seem a bit slower,especially with the proton cannon .I mean really it's the same in MvC his cannon just comes out to slow which is a great disadvantage against a fast opponent. So what am I getting at? Basically which ever one is better is depends on the player. If you like Iron Man instead of war machine well good for you and vice versa. If you just don't care whose better then I applaud you. They both the same the only real difference is speed. Posted by TS on 07:21:2001 11:46 PM: Right. Back to being devil's advocate- You can (with Storm on point) do the Lightning Storm air combo and then DHC to WM's Proton Cannon...you just need good timing, so that the opponent falls right in front of where WM will be popping in. It's true that WM can't combo into his Proton Cannon outside of the corner without using an assist. But if he ever lands a hit, he can pretty much go into his infinite from that...so it's not really a huge handicap to not be able to burn a super in that particular combo. I'll admit it's a handicap for me, since I don't get to practice things as much as I'd like to, and therefore can basically never start WM's infinite from any sort of ground-based position without using an assist. Was fighting CPU abyss the other day (form 2), and I noticed what an incredible amount of meter WM's low Shoulder Cannon builds if it hits. Just something to note. Didn't really really check it out on any normal characters. ken- I suppose WM can rush down like IM, but IM would probably be better at it. I dunno if you could use all of the same strats, but I'm gonna go ahead and stick with my WM = keep out and IM = rushdown theory. I would assume that Viscant said WM is better on the ground because he has more useful stuff... His crouching Fierce hits multiple times so it will go through some single projectiles, he's got the low Shoulder Cannon whereas IM only has his Unibeam, his smart bombs are faster so low altitude super jump smart bombs probably works better, he has his infinite as a threat to anti-rushdown, and he's got his War Destroyer if you do something stupid in the air. Posted by flesh~n~bone on 07:22:2001 01:38 AM: Obiviously iron man!!! Posted by Sepehr on 07:22:2001 03:11 AM: quote: Originally posted by TS Right. Back to being devil's advocate- You can (with Storm on point) do the Lightning Storm air combo and then DHC to WM's Proton Cannon...you just need good timing, so that the opponent falls right in front of where WM will be popping in. It's true that WM can't combo into his Proton Cannon outside of the corner without using an assist. But if he ever lands a hit, he can pretty much go into his infinite from that...so it's not really a huge handicap to not be able to burn a super in that particular combo. I'll admit it's a handicap for me, since I don't get to practice things as much as I'd like to, and therefore can basically never start WM's infinite from any sort of ground-based position without using an assist. Was fighting CPU abyss the other day (form 2), and I noticed what an incredible amount of meter WM's low Shoulder Cannon builds if it hits. Just something to note. Didn't really really check it out on any normal characters. ken- I suppose WM can rush down like IM, but IM would probably be better at it. I dunno if you could use all of the same strats, but I'm gonna go ahead and stick with my WM = keep out and IM = rushdown theory. I would assume that Viscant said WM is better on the ground because he has more useful stuff... His crouching Fierce hits multiple times so it will go through some single projectiles, he's got the low Shoulder Cannon whereas IM only has his Unibeam, his smart bombs are faster so low altitude super jump smart bombs probably works better, he has his infinite as a threat to anti-rushdown, and he's got his War Destroyer if you do something stupid in the air. if you rather play with WM than IM just because Viscant said so, you are the biggest fool there is. You have to test them both and then talk about it. Viscant does not even use WM or IM. Viscant thinks that WM and IM are not that good. On the other hand Japanese member White mentioned that IM is better. But if you want to listen to what other people say about every character you will end up no where. You have to find out about things by your self. WM can do the same things that IM can do and true that they both have the same rush down abilities, same combos, basic moves and such. True that WM's smart bombs have more speed but that does not change anything. The war desstroyer is not a very good super IMO. Some of Ironman's moves for some reason come out faster, for example his C.lk which can be comboed into his infinity so that is a huge advantage for those who are waiting for a chance to land his infinity setups. IMO ironman can beat war machine. Posted by TS on 07:23:2001 12:23 AM: quote: Originally posted by Sepehr if you rather play with WM than IM just because Viscant said so, you are the biggest fool there is. You have to test them both and then talk about it. Viscant does not even use WM or IM. Viscant thinks that WM and IM are not that good. On the other hand Japanese member White mentioned that IM is better. But if you want to listen to what other people say about every character you will end up no where. You have to find out about things by your self. Actually, I was playing WM before I heard Viscant say anything about him...the reason I know what he said, was because I asked him some questions about WM, so I could get better with him...feel free to apologize any time now... quote: WM can do the same things that IM can do and true that they both have the same rush down abilities, same combos, basic moves and such. IM is faster, which makes him better at rushdown...slower smartbombs means he can follow up with normals easier. Those are two big differences right there. quote: True that WM's smart bombs have more speed but that does not change anything. Well, it does mean that WM's Smart Bombs get there faster than IM's...so it does sorta change things...if only in the sense that you can't always use both moves in all of the same situations. quote: The war desstroyer is not a very good super IMO. It's OK. Nice for punishing mistakes (whiff supers, people trying to come down on you with normals after superjumps, etc), and it does OK chip damage even if it's blocked...you just can't let them block it too close to the ground. Sets up about a billion DHCs, too. quote: Some of Ironman's moves for some reason come out faster, for example his C.lk which can be comboed into his infinity so that is a huge advantage for those who are waiting for a chance to land his infinity setups. IMO ironman can beat war machine. WM's short isn't really that much slower... And again, you're talking about playing WM like you would IM...which isn't in WM's favor, imo. As far as an actual WM vs IM match, it's basically a contest of who can get above who and drop Smart Bombs for the advantage, and then either try to follow up with a combo in IM's case, or try to chip or something in WM's. I haven't played that match much at all, so I can't really comment on it. Though I do think that WM has a pretty good shot against IM. Posted by Orochi Setzuna on 07:23:2001 01:04 AM: Ironman....just cause I have always played him more. IM proton cannon is alot better. Posted by ytwojay on 07:23:2001 04:20 AM: you cant AHVB iron man after a jab unibeam, but i think you can after a jab shoulder cannon... can anyone confirm? because i think that might be reason enough, with all these damn cable players out there... including me -jay ^_^ Posted by Ryoku on 07:23:2001 04:54 PM: They both do the same damage but IM has a better super and he is way faster then WM so I would say IM is better. Posted by Ezrick on 07:24:2001 04:34 AM: Well...both IM and WM can do the same infinite, but the timing is kinda different. IM's super is very effective while WM is hella gay. WM takes less damage and all his moves are flashy, so they look good. I dunnoe...i like WM better than IM, so yea its because WM's got some flashy moves. All times are GMT. The time now is 09:28 PM. Show all 33 posts from this thread on one page Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.2.4 Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Limited 2000, 2001.